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[Keilan 303]

Meh , page 3 of the P & J, been there.....8 years ago...fucking photo and everything...rawk

[lepeep]

did you have your tits out ?
RAWK.

[ghost]

Originally Posted by betamax

its like a car smash sometimes

*wipes vomit from mouth*

glad to be of assistance.

*hands over mop*

[betamax]

Originally Posted by Ibid

Good thread. Scenesters have to ask themselves why an a covers duo can pull over 150 punters on a tuesday night in O'Donoghue's. I know it's in Nedsville but still.

Totally agree

Covers bands get to have fun and also get payed lots for doing so.....how good is that?!

My cousin in the Drummer in The Clashed, a really good touring tribute band who get to go all over the place, play their favorite clash songs and get payed shitloads of cash

dont knock it cos you cant do it (or something...)

[soundian]

Originally Posted by RicoAUBL

so um... if they started writing about something that interested you
then you'd read it..?


wasnt that the point ?

No. I will continue to flick through it to keep my knowledge of who's cat is stuck up a tree, which local children have debilitating diseases and which 'star' player has rejected AFC for a more fulfilling career in the english third division bang up to date.


As for anything else, I'd rather believe the horoscopes.

[daveofficer]

Originally Posted by betamax

yikes!

a telling off from a 'senior scenester'

and 'fucking high horses'

whats all that about???????? (it could be a good film)

same old cheap shitty comment anytime someone dares to say ANYTHING against the 'scene'

thats why its so shit

insularness

WE ALL MUST THINK THE SAME

repeat this kids

WE ALL MUST THINK THE SAME

THE SCENE MUST BE OBEYED

KILL YOUR MOTHER

etc

the only way we ever have a >CREDIBLE UNDERGROUND SCENE< is when we when reality finally sinks in (look up 'underground' in the dictionary if you dont understand)

christ didn't realise i was a 'senior scenester', does that mean i get to collect my scene pension then?

look i'm not saying that people can't have an opinion against the scene or anything all i've been saying(and it does seem like i'm banging my head against a brick wall here) is that it can't do any harm to get a bit more publicity and the local press is an obvious target for that. we're not all underground/alternative elitists here, okay we want to do things a certain way but that's no reason to stop us playing in front of as many people as we can. a good way to do that would be to try and get some attention from the local press. what's the reality you speak of? are you saying we should all realise that we're going nowhere and be content with the world of fanzines, drakes and this messageboard? hey i can do that, i've done it ages ago. i hold no grand ideas about 'making it' in the music biz, i have no desires to move to london or be on totp, but i do believe in aberdeen's music community. very very strongly. i think there's an amazing amount of talented people here who work really really hard for very little recognition from even the home audiences. i know we don't need recognition from these people but if it means that instead of going to the cinema joe bloggs and his girlfriend might come to a gig by an aberdeen band who've written a set of their own songs that they believe passionately in and want people to hear them then that's a good thing. even if they decide they're shite.

i don't mind if you think there's nothing of any worth in aberdeen, you're free to think what you want but you can't stop people from trying. some people actually care about the music scene in aberdeen because at it's best it's a community, a valued part of peoples lives and it's something that people feel really belongs to them. at it's worst it's a place full of hipsters and assholes.

see i don't really understand what the argument is here, are you saying that your main problem with all this is just that it makes us look uncool and unrock and roll? if it's not that then what is your point? there's nothing to lose in this. the scene will not self destruct if the p and j or evening express start covering it more. it will have no bad effect on any band covered. how could it? so they might spell someones name wrong or be a bit condascending, fuck it. what harm's it done?

[betamax]

Originally Posted by daveofficer

i don't mind if you think there's nothing of any worth in aberdeen

see i don't really understand what the argument is here, are you saying that your main problem with all this is just that it makes us look uncool and unrock and roll?

I can see where you are coming from in most of your post (not the same place as me, but probably on the same continent) but ill clarify the main differences

theres plenty of worth in aberdeen imo - at least, seven spectacularly good bands that I know of (but probably more) with a shit load of potential, and theres a disproportionate amount of cool venues - but theres also a lot of shite. The shite has proliferated over the good stuff for some time now in the local gig listings, although things are slowly improving imo..........but aberdeen is not the centre of the universe as a hell of a lot of local music scenesters like to think (usually cos they have no experience of other 'scenes')....and that insularness pisses a lot of people off when the wee fuckers publically suck each others egos...its laughable and they get very angry when people laugh at them (like the red neck hillbilly retards in a chainsaw movie)

and the un-cool, un rock n roll thing regards lobbying the local poo rag.......well yeh it does seem that way to me....but thats only an opinion....but the factual point i made is that its also a waste of time and effort for an underground band looking to alert an undergound audience

for someone who alledgedly is soooooo anti local scene I sometimes end up putting quite a bit of effort (at leat 5 minutes a day)in trying to get it (the music scene), to get its shit together

wierd

[daveofficer]

Originally Posted by betamax

I can see where you are coming from in most of your post (not the same place as me, but probably on the same continent) but ill clarify the main differences

theres plenty of worth in aberdeen imo - at least, seven spectacularly good bands that I know of (but probably more) with a shit load of potential, and theres a disproportionate amount of cool venues - but theres also a lot of shite. The shite has proliferated over the good stuff for some time now in the local gig listings, although things are slowly improving imo..........but aberdeen is not the centre of the universe as a hell of a lot of local music scenesters like to think (usually cos they have no experience of other 'scenes')....and that insularness pisses a lot of people off when the wee fuckers publically suck each others egos...its laughable and they get very angry when people laugh at them (like the red neck hillbilly retards in a chainsaw movie)

and the un-cool, un rock n roll thing regards lobbying the local poo rag.......well yeh it does seem that way to me....but thats only an opinion....but the factual point i made is that its also a waste of time and effort for an underground band looking to alert an undergound audience

for someone who alledgedly is soooooo anti local scene I sometimes end up putting quite a bit of effort (at leat 5 minutes a day)in trying to get it (the music scene), to get its shit together

wierd

see that's better, i can see where you're coming from now. a bit.

i don't think this was about being insular, it was just about trying to gain a bigger audience and maybe persuade some folks who wouldn't normally come to gigs to give it a go. admittedly it was centred on aberdeen but only cause it was the p and j and the evening express we were talking about. by all means everyone should be pestering venues, e-zines, fanzines and the like all over the country anyway but they should also be pestering the local press. i don't think it's a waste of time and on that we'll probably never agree.

with regards to being anti scene it's probably more to do with the fact that you antagonise people rather than try and discuss things(from what i've seen, i don't spend a lot of time round these parts) when posting. so i guess folks just think you're trying to make trouble and poo poo all their ideas. maybe more helfpul suggestions rather than just rubbishing something would be good. not that you'll want or take my ideas about this cause i'm sure(and this isn't a dig) you don't mind what people on here think about you.

the venues are great and there is a growing number of great bands too, i just think that if everyone looks out for everyone else then things could really take it off. hey, i ain't saying any band that makes it(to whatever degree that is) should be helping other bands up the ladder or anything but if we try and keep aberdeen as a good strong place to play gigs and ahve fun then hopefully those that don't end up making a career out of this will still be able to gig and have fun 20 years from now in a community similar to what we have now. just bigger, and with more great bands! i'm an idealist really, but it could happen and it could be a great laugh in the process.

[betamax]

agree

yup

a sort of shared vision from different angles

but ill still contest that 'different' opinions do not equal 'negative' opinions

it just means different-ness (?)

nor is there a design to fuck up the majority

if anyone gets upset about me or anyone saying something different, they really should see a doctor

blah blah etc

*checks out P&J for latest hip happenings and chip shop opening times*

[Frosty Jack]

Originally Posted by betamax

agree

yup

a sort of shared vision from different angles

Gives you a warm, fuzzy feeling, doesn't it?
*looks at empty bottle*
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