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[Afro Droid]

At the moment I seem to the only person who voted 'Don't Care'

[Lester Burnham]

someone mentioned aka the fox earlier... I think I'm in love with that band as of standing in the mass of sweat in Drummond's last night...*drools*

I voted machines, not because I'm a synth operator, thus am a machine person... but because drum machines can just offer more extreme sounds than any drummer can make.

But then, I find that it's virtually impossible to write music to a drum machine, I also find that the presence of a person behind a kit is far more pleasing than a blinky box. I also find that REAL people drummers are easier to change things with at literally the nod of a head... where as with a machine you have to tinker with it... which is a pain in the arse... unless as Mr Officer mentioned earlier, you have drum triggers...

I think the best thing is the combination of machine and man... but I'm possibly biast.

[delboy]

drum machines drink less, dont want paying and stay in time.....

[Keilan 303]

Not always the case....damn latency

[M.A.R.T]

man how great would blue monday sound with live drums!

and kraftwerk and aphex twin!



oh wait...no...that would sound shit!

not all music is in a rock format or dance format.

its not all black and white.

ok so blue monday is essentially a dance song, but it has so much soul to it, so much character. same with aphex twin and kraftwerk.

use the right tool for the right job.

Originally posted by Lester Burnham:
unless as Mr Officer mentioned earlier, you have drum triggers... but again you have to pre-programme it all etc.

uhhh...since when does using triggers involve programming?

[Lawy Lawson:Attorney]

Originally posted by M.A.R.T:
man how great would blue monday sound with live drums!

You knock Orgy and I'll knock you, sunshine!

No really though. Atari Teenage Riot with live drums? Horses for courses, innit?

[daveofficer]

dillinger escape plan did an awesome version of come to daddy by aphex twin with live drums. but their drummer doesn't really exist. he's a figment of everyones imagination. no one can actually drum that song.

when i mentioned drum triggers it was really to guage whether flash had a problem with live drummers using drum triggers. these are used to ensure a drum retains the same sound every time it's hit. it can also be used to give the same volume every time it's hit no matter how hard. i'm no expert so if i'm wrong i'm sure someone will correct me on this. basically they're a handy tool for drummers to use if you're on tour and want to make sure you still get the same awesome drum sound it took you two weeks of tinkering to get in your practice room.

[M.A.R.T]

Originally posted by daveofficer:
these are used to ensure a drum retains the same sound every time it's hit. it can also be used to give the same volume every time it's hit no matter how hard. i'm no expert so if i'm wrong i'm sure someone will correct me on this. basically they're a handy tool for drummers to use if you're on tour and want to make sure you still get the same awesome drum sound it took you two weeks of tinkering to get in your practice room.

id say a lot of drum triggers are touch sensitive. they are used to give you an infinitely wide range of sounds. id say they are equally expressive as live drums. just more uniformed in the sounds they produce, (although you can set them so they change sound in relation to the pressure of a hit) but the shape of rooms and different pa's all effect the sounds anyway.

it is all relative to the sounds and styles of the music to whether electronics are benefitial.

[Lester Burnham]

Originally posted by M.A.R.T:
uhhh...since when does using triggers involve programming?

this is me fucking up and messing up my posts again.

Scrap the above thing that you quoted. I was doing about 3 things at once and lost my section in what I was typing. *goes back to edit*

[betamax]

drum machines in 'rock' music are generally shit live, and are only occasionally good on records

but they sound fantastic when used on the right type of song in le right context

and drum machines should sound like drum machines....these fucking drum machines that do a wanky impersonation of a real drummer are giving beatboxes a bad name.....most chart records feature them and they still put a token 'miming' drummer at the back of the stage on TOTP or MTV whatever

they might as well just miss out the whole live experience and e-mail you an MP3

*switches on Roland CR8000 as an example of how a drum machine should sound*

listen

doof - tssssh - rest - doof - doof - tssssh - rest - repeat

gorgeous!

but real drummers (the good ones anyway) are much more entertaining despite the mental problems, latent alchoholism, sex offences, prescription fraud etc