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[PaulDW]

Excellent stuff... The gig on the 9th is going to be fantastic! Will be good to catch up with you again Tav!

[soundian]

Originally Posted by Flash@TMB

The upshot is that we now have essentially a 16 channel monitor mixer for our stage sound, with separate compressors, gates, EQ, and phase on each of those channels. So if a band require something altered on stage we can quickly achieve this by moving a few faders rather than farting about with aux sends like before.

Not strictly true Flash, pissing about with aux sends will still be required to give different mixes, the fader just acts like a master.

[Flash@TMB]

Originally Posted by soundian

Not strictly true Flash, pissing about with aux sends will still be required to give different mixes, the fader just acts like a master.

Agreed there's no gettting away from them, but there should be much less pissing about with the aux sends, depending on what needs adjusted and to where.

[soundian]

Originally Posted by Flash@TMB

Agreed there's no gettting away from them, but there should be much less pissing about with the aux sends, depending on what needs adjusted and to where.

Faders are an overall master for the mic in post-fade mode. If it's too loud in everyones monitor the fader is handy, otherwise it's boring old auxes all the way.

EDIT: not getting away from the fact that the dedicated gates/comps/phase/FX are worth having, just not as easy as you try to make out.

Extra EDIT: Try putting your mons out of phase, sometimes works a treat, sometimes works against you, but with your digi splits you can experiment on each channel.

[Flash@TMB]

Originally Posted by soundian

Faders are an overall master for the mic in post-fade mode. If it's too loud in everyones monitor the fader is handy, otherwise it's boring old auxes all the way.

EDIT: not getting away from the fact that the dedicated gates/comps/phase/FX are worth having, just not as easy as you try to make out.

Oh yeah but in our little box certain things only go to certain places. For example our drums and bass only go through the drummers monitor & sub (drums are always loud enough for everyone South of the kit on, and bass is best restricted to the bigger monitor). So all those can be completely controlled by faders and account for half the feeds... albeit the less useful ones. And yes the phase switch especially is great to have on hand.

EDIT: Yes we used to run all the monitors out of phase but now we just do each separate feed individually. For example tonight a DI'd accoustic guitar fed back out of phase but putting it in phase sorted it out. I'm guessing since monitor was facing uncapped guitar the signal cancelled itself out.

[soundian]

Originally Posted by Flash@TMB

Oh yeah but in our little box certain things only go to certain places. For example our drums and bass only go through the drummers monitor & sub (drums are always loud enough for everyone South of the kit on, and bass is best restricted to the bigger monitor). So all those can be completely controlled by faders and account for half the feeds... albeit the less useful ones. And yes the phase switch especially is great to have on hand.

EDIT: Yes we used to run all the monitors out of phase but now we just do each separate feed individually. For example tonight a DI'd accoustic guitar fed back out of phase but putting it in phase sorted it out. I'm guessing since monitor was facing uncapped guitar the signal cancelled itself out.

But still, turn down the fader and both drummer and bass player hear less, turn down the aux and only one wil hear less. Faders are prety redundant in a house engineering/monitor job. They only really come into play with a seperate monitor desk and engineer who understands what is needed and when.

That was exactly my point about phase/polarity, the option for having seperate controls FOH and Mons is worth the extra hassle, cos there's not much with digi patching.

[Paulscoconutass]

That is officially the most happy i've ever been with the on-stage sound of any venue in the 'deen. Everything was so loud and clear on stage that it was just like sitting in the audience. I couldn't believe with so much volume that the mic can be touching the monitor and not feed back, even cupping the mic didn't work! I think that - locally - the Moorings is streets ahead when it comes to sound; I've NEVER heard every instrument in a 7 piece band sound so clear in the final mix.

[Flash@TMB]

Originally Posted by Paulscoconutass

That is officially the most happy i've ever been with the on-stage sound of any venue in the 'deen. Everything was so loud and clear on stage that it was just like sitting in the audience. I couldn't believe with so much volume that the mic can be touching the monitor and not feed back, even cupping the mic didn't work! I think that - locally - the Moorings is streets ahead when it comes to sound; I've NEVER heard every instrument in a 7 piece band sound so clear in the final mix.

You might find this hard to believe, but later that night, after everyone had left, Mark set to work on them and the outcome is that they are much clearer, the slight harshness is gone, and they now go up about 3x louder than you experienced... in the unlikely event such high volumes are required.

[Flash@TMB]

Originally Posted by soundian

But still, turn down the fader and both drummer and bass player hear less, turn down the aux and only one wil hear less. Faders are prety redundant in a house engineering/monitor job. They only really come into play with a seperate monitor desk and engineer who understands what is needed and when.

That was exactly my point about phase/polarity, the option for having seperate controls FOH and Mons is worth the extra hassle, cos there's not much with digi patching.

Probably best come round and see it. The new monitors are positioned in a way that will surprise some people and while it is still necessary to adjust aux sends for certain things we have been able to structure the feeds in such a way as to minimise this. The is a separate monitor desk, just the same engineer. If you click layer 1 you get the 16 stage mics. Click layer 3 and you get the 16 channel monitor desk. Click 'masters' and you get the 8 aux masters and 8 bus masters.

But yes it is the same engineer, so while not as good as someone mixing from the stage it is more versatile and makes life a little simpler.

[Dead Anyway]

The new monitors are killer, could hear perfectly clear at the Karaoke last night and no feedback.

Greig