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[psydoll]

Originally Posted by thurisaz

the daywe spend £1200 on a recording is the day weall sell our asses, give up all drinking, drugs, food and our bodies to science.

Dave you couldn't give your body away to a charity shop the state it's in

[Flash@TMB]

Originally Posted by thurisaz

we weren;t syaing that. we were gonna ask for the mx on a DATtape if possible and pay you for it, then get one of our own producer type guys to mix and master it for us.

Sorry but no can do. There are plenty of places that offer a low cost recording service. There are no other venues in town that offer a high quality live recording facility. The production part of the deal is Mark's venture. I don't have the time or the energy to go exporting everyone's tracks off to DAT tape every week. And if I started doing this then EVERYONE would expect it. That's why we've elected not to charge for the recording part of the process, cos then we aren't under any obligation.

Originally Posted by thurisaz

we weren't expecting this all for nothing.

Sorry, that comment was general. Believe me it was not aimed at you.

Originally Posted by thurisaz

but also, if Mark charges £25 an hour.wheres £100 per song coming from. 4 hours on one song??

Yes, that's how long it takes to produce something to a high standard. I know, I've just sat through it twice LOL. This is applying lots of attention to detail, but the results are worth it.

This is not intended to be a budget recording and production service - exactly the opposite. We're busy people, and only prepared to devote our time to something that's really special. I hope everyone can understand this. It's luxury goods.

EDIT: I just reread this whole thread and realised that some of the comments people posted were not intended as negatively as I originally interpreted them. Feel bad now

[spellchecker]

You might want to look out for issues regarding the Data Protection Act, not to mention copyright law. It is arguable (i'm not joking) that the live recording can be attributed as "identifiable data", that is, data that can be used to identify a data subject (e.g. vocal tracks). In such a case, if you intend to record a live performance, then I think two things are requisite by law:

1. You must be registered as a Data Controller with the Data Commissioner.
2. Data subjects have a legal right to obtain all personal data held by you, the controller on them, the data subject. The maximum amount you can charge for a request for personal data by a data subject is £10 I think.

A further legal problem is one with copyright. If a band plays a cover in their live performance, then there may be some legal issue with recording it. I'm not quite sure about exactly what it contravenes in terms of copyright, but I know that around 7 or 8 years ago when the Pelican were putting on live bands, they stipulated that you absolutely must not play covers in your set, if you wanted the set recorded.

Obviously, this would only apply if a performance has actually been recorded. However, by ultimately restricting rights to recorded material (or if both the recording is deemed as identifiable personal data, and you are not registered as a data controller), you may be breaking the law.

You'd obviously want to check all this out with some legalese person.

Here's some information on the Data Protection Act 1998 (can't remember if it's been updated since then):

http://www.hmso.gov.uk/acts/acts1998/19980029.htm

[Flash@TMB]

Originally Posted by DaveRowlands

Anyway i wasn't trying to stir trouble merely explain that much as we'd like to, the possibility of spending £100 on a live recording isn't one we can afford.
We're all looking forward to our gig at the moorings next month a change of scenery will be good.

Hey no worries I could see where you were coming from. I'm really looking forward to you guys playing. The last time other Dave played was with Vomitus and that was one of my favourite gigs of the year, and certainly among the most entertaining. I'm hoping that Flithpact are equally good.

Heh heh - if you are then there's a possibility that MTA may decide to do a freebie - but that's his decision, and there's lots of factors involved. Either way we'll still turn on the recorder, and that alone should elicit a great response from the crowd - whatever comes of it.

Ooops I hope you didn't think that the soup kitchen comment was directed at your engineer. Shit - that wasn't intentional either LOL. Honestly!!! I'm not having a good day am I LMAO. Appologies.

See you on Saturday!

[Flash@TMB]

Originally Posted by psydoll

Dave you couldn't give your body away to a charity shop the state it's in

Have you checked ebay lately? Even a stuffed donkey fetches 250 smackeroonies. I think Dave should auction himself to settle this once and for all.

[Flash@TMB]

So there you go folks. It's the law that all recordings must be handed over for a tenner. Next time a studio records you, tell them to fuck off with the bill, take them to court, and have them charged with breach of the DPA 1988. ROFLMAO!!!

Seriously though, we are registered with the Data Protection Act, but not for this reason. Strangely enough this is something that I am on intimate terms with. Fortunately it does not apply in this instance but I can't be arsed going into details.

We do not record covers.

Originally Posted by spellchecker

You might want to look out for issues regarding the Data Protection Act, not to mention copyright law. It is arguable (i'm not joking) that the live recording can be attributed as "identifiable data", that is, data that can be used to identify a data subject (e.g. vocal tracks). In such a case, if you intend to record a live performance, then I think two things are requisite by law:

1. You must be registered as a Data Controller with the Data Commissioner.
2. Data subjects have a legal right to obtain all personal data held by you, the controller on them, the data subject. The maximum amount you can charge for a request for personal data by a data subject is £10 I think.

A further legal problem is one with copyright. If a band plays a cover in their live performance, then there may be some legal issue with recording it. I'm not quite sure about exactly what it contravenes in terms of copyright, but I know that around 7 or 8 years ago when the Pelican were putting on live bands, they stipulated that you absolutely must not play covers in your set, if you wanted the set recorded.

Obviously, this would only apply if a performance has actually been recorded. However, by ultimately restricting rights to recorded material (or if both the recording is deemed as identifiable personal data, and you are not registered as a data controller), you may be breaking the law.

You'd obviously want to check all this out with some legalese person.

Here's some information on the Data Protection Act 1998 (can't remember if it's been updated since then):

http://www.hmso.gov.uk/acts/acts1998/19980029.htm

[MTA]

Also you can record what you like. it just what you do with it that matters. The recording is owned by the equipment owner, We have used this in the past in the studio for record co's who are late in paying.. We know the legal stuff as we have both been doing it for some time.

[Teabags]

Originally Posted by psydoll

Dave you couldn't give your body away to a charity shop the state it's in

ehy, science would LOVE to get a hold of my body. if they do experiments to find out how the fuck I am still alive with ym diet and way of living,t hey may be able to develop a drug of some sort that helps people to live for longer. Just cos you're a healthy cunt.

Unhealthy people fetch more money. Like Lemmy.

**smoking guns, mofo!**

[Flash@TMB]

Originally Posted by thurisaz

ehy, science would LOVE to get a hold of my body. if they do experiments to find out how the fuck I am still alive with ym diet and way of living,t hey may be able to develop a drug of some sort that helps people to live for longer. Just cos you're a healthy cunt.

Unhealthy people fetch more money. Like Lemmy.

**smoking guns, mofo!**

So breathe more hairspray and live longer I guess.

[psydoll]

Originally Posted by Flash@TMB

So breathe more hairspray and live longer I guess.

Funnily enough I'm just off to sort my hair as we speak.

Much laughter would no doubt be had from some camps as well regarding my lifestyle being 'healthy'