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[french_disko]

As an aside, I'd just like to say that, in many respects, this gig was a huge success - it's caused people to form an opinion and provide constructive feedback in the thread. Surely taht can only be a good thing?

[His Majesty]

Originally Posted by french_disko

But that's what they sound like - to me, seeing them live made more sense than on record, whether I'd have been happy if they'd played "anything" is another matter (i'd have been fucked off if they'd played a set of 80s hair metal cover versions for example).

I meant so long as they turned up and made a noise.

[Chris]

Originally Posted by His Majesty

Erk, that name is for a start!

I think Jim should use Graeme's reply as his signature. all_his_engines: Dangerous, Subjective and Lazy.

[offramp]

Originally Posted by His Majesty

I meant so long as they turned up and made a noise.

Originally Posted by imp biog

Magik Markers are a noise rock band

I don't see what the big deal is...

Originally Posted by french_disko

it's not the negative reviews though, is it? it's just the "they're shite" comments - it's hardly constructive criticism. All that does is make promoters downhearted and feel their work has been pointless - maybe if people gave constructive reviews or comments and made suggestions for bands they like then those bands would be more likely to be booked in future.

Personally, I loved MM - and I liked Gira as well - but that's maybe because I buy loads of MM cdr's and vinyl and because I'm a Swans fan as well. I suppose in some ways my "it's great" attitude is as much relevance as "they're shite" but it's less likely to irk people or get their backs up - and, as you said, my opinion is no more valid than anyone elses.

I dunno if there's a point here - maybe just that in a small niche market for gigs like this people appreciate more constructive criticism and feedback.

I’ve discovered a lot of great music through IMP’s gigs over the past few years (although I’ve had less gig going time available lately – Low Low’s the night though, nae bad) and have always gave an honest opinion of the gigs, some I liked, some I never, some I was somewhere in between, lately it feels like you can’t express a negative opinion, it’s not a personal thing at all and shouldn’t be taken as such. I get what you are saying about constructive criticism, but I’ve been there myself, seen bands I thought were awful and couldn’t muster up a better opinion than ‘shite’, ah well.

I hated Gira but ended up buying a couple of the later Swans albums out of interest and enjoyed them. I wasn’t at MM’s so can’t comment there, haven’t actually heard them, although the gig pre-amble had me almost in attendance but it was not to be due to other commitments.

[His Majesty]

Originally Posted by offramp

I don't see what the big deal is...

So just turning up and making a noise is enough? Any noise is good enough!?

[Jim Stax]

Originally Posted by His Majesty

So just turning up and making a noise is enough? Any noise is good enough!?

Future Tupelo Town Assembly gigs! Did we not say?

Can I say this. There is a difference between

'I thought they were shite'

and

'they were shite'

I have happily used the former at times and will again.

[offramp]

Originally Posted by His Majesty

So just turning up and making a noise is enough? Any noise is good enough!?

You're missing my point.

They were booked and promoted by imp for Triptych as a noise rock band, so any surprise or complaint that they 'played noise' is unjustified, in my opinion - that's all.

[offramp]

Originally Posted by bluesxman

I’ve discovered a lot of great music through IMP’s gigs over the past few years (although I’ve had less gig going time available lately – Low Low’s the night though, nae bad) and have always gave an honest opinion of the gigs, some I liked, some I never, some I was somewhere in between, lately it feels like you can’t express a negative opinion, it’s not a personal thing at all and shouldn’t be taken as such. I get what you are saying about constructive criticism, but I’ve been there myself, seen bands I thought were awful and couldn’t muster up a better opinion than ‘shite’, ah well.

I think we're quite happy to take negative criticism / opinions - any debate is good debate - but when it get's to the level of just 'shite', then yes I would say that is lazy, but entirely your perogative.

[His Majesty]

Originally Posted by offramp

You're missing my point.

They were booked and promoted by imp for Triptych as a noise rock band, so any surprise or complaint that they 'played noise' is unjustified, in my opinion - that's all.

I'm not, you're missing my point!

I like some noisy shit, but there is good and bad noisy shit. For various reasons I thought MM's weren't good, not because they made a noise, but just because I thought they were crap at it!

I don't think anyone was expecting some sweet pop symphonies and that is not what is being talked about here.