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[MattJimF]

Originally Posted by KimyReizeger

A bottle of 330ml 18% beer will get you more drunk than a bottle of 330ml 4% beer, if both are drunk over the same time scale.

What you're arguing is that people wouldn't drink Tokyo over the same time scale, and in fact alter their drinking speed to suit the alcohol content.

Speculation over the length of time people in the future will drink at is highly questionable.

Your personal opinion on the subject is pretty worthless.

I don't think drinkers rationalise as much as you say.

You're still ignoring my implicit suggestion that you're an easily manipulated, senseless consumer willing to lap up anything you're told is cool, an idea which is far more interesting than your personal reflections over this ABV crap.

Taking this out of the alcohol market for a moment.

Bugatti produce a car that can hit a top speed of 255 miles an hour which is produced in a limited number and costs close to £1 million. Now this is 3.5 times fast then the national speed limit in this country, and most other countries in the world.
Vauxhall mass produce the Corsa which lots of people in this country drive, and is far more likely to be in an accident or caught speeding.

Now using your logic Bugatti are irresponsible for producing a high speed car over Vauxhall's more responsible mass produced lower speed car, despite the fact that the average consumer wouldn't be able to afford to drive the Bugatti.

Please don't dismiss this as being different to the argument you are putting forward, as it really isn't. Your whole argument is 'supposedly' about how we have all been brainwashed into liking this beer over other beers, and i'm sure that all of us would like a Veyron over a Corsa, but all of us know that if we were to drive one we could control ourselves to not constantly drive at 255mph, much like we all like Brewdog products but we couldn't spend the night knocking back 18% beer to get drunk.

Why don't we ask the workers of the Mooring about Delirium Tremens, this is a 9% beer sold in bottles in a bar. Now i'm sure that they get lots of people in to get drunk in as quick as time as possible (the same as most bars on a Friday or Saturday night), but i'm willing to bet that they don't go through cases each Friday and Saturday night because the beer is going to get people more drunk in the same space of time as one regular bottle.

[Flash@TMB]

Originally Posted by MattJimF

Taking this out of the alcohol market for a moment.

Bugatti produce a car that can hit a top speed of 255 miles an hour which is produced in a limited number and costs close to £1 million. Now this is 3.5 times fast then the national speed limit in this country, and most other countries in the world.
Vauxhall mass produce the Corsa which lots of people in this country drive, and is far more likely to be in an accident or caught speeding.

Now using your logic Bugatti are irresponsible for producing a high speed car over Vauxhall's more responsible mass produced lower speed car, despite the fact that the average consumer wouldn't be able to afford to drive the Bugatti.

Please don't dismiss this as being different to the argument you are putting forward, as it really isn't. Your whole argument is 'supposedly' about how we have all been brainwashed into liking this beer over other beers, and i'm sure that all of us would like a Veyron over a Corsa, but all of us know that if we were to drive one we could control ourselves to not constantly drive at 255mph, much like we all like Brewdog products but we couldn't spend the night knocking back 18% beer to get drunk.

Why don't we ask the workers of the Mooring about Delirium Tremens, this is a 9% beer sold in bottles in a bar. Now i'm sure that they get lots of people in to get drunk in as quick as time as possible (the same as most bars on a Friday or Saturday night), but i'm willing to bet that they don't go through cases each Friday and Saturday night because the beer is going to get people more drunk in the same space of time as one regular bottle.

Correct. High strength beers are not really a problem as people only tend to drink one bottle then switch to lighter stuff. I've never seen anyone fucked up drinking the really strong stuff. Likewise with cask beer, if it's a strong one then it's also much more expensive and people tend to drink it more slowly in half pints.

We probably stock and sell more high strength beers than anywhere else in town but we also have probably the lowest incidence of trouble and bad behaviour. The only people you ever saw unconscious in The Moorings were Frank and myself (although I'm now thankfully retired).

Public disorder is down to chain bars buying in cheap vodka and selling doubles for a quid. Minkoff Vodka (I shit you not) at £3.99 per litre being the industry fave.

The root of the problem is people being encouraged to drink higher quantities of alcohol for logarithmically less money. The more you drink the cheaper it gets.

Brewdogs strong beers are very expensive. You don't benefit from any discount if you buy larger quantities of them.

There is also a misconception about strength in terms of %ABV. What counts is not the quantity nor the strength that a person consumes... it's the total number of alcoholic units they ingest and what that does to their blood alcohol level.

Absinthe is 72%ABV. Minkoff is 37.5%ABV (almost half). Absinthe is sold as 25ml and diluted with 4 parts water leading to a solution that is 14.4%ABV and 125ml of volume. Minkoff is doubled up to 50ml diluted with 1.5 parts diet cola leading to a solution that is 15% and 125ml of volume. The absinthe therefore equates to 1.8 units (same as a bottle of Stella) and the Minkoff weighs in at 1.875 units, slightly more. The Absinthe costs £4 and the Minkoff costs £1.50. The cost per unit of the Absinthe is £2.22, the cost per unit of the Minkoff is 80p. The Minkoff was manufactured by diluting a tanker of 100% industrial ethanol with 1.5 tankers of water. The absinthe was handcrafted in small batches by a master brewer/distiller from 60 odd different herbs. £25 will buy you enough Minoff to end your life. To kill yourself with absinthe would cost you £67.

I rest my case!

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[Surfer_Rosa]

Originally Posted by KimyReizeger

Your personal opinion on the subject is pretty worthless.

I don't think drinkers rationalise as much as you say.

You're still ignoring my implicit suggestion that you're an easily manipulated, senseless consumer willing to lap up anything you're told is cool, an idea which is far more interesting than your personal reflections over this ABV crap.

Are you genuinely just trying to be a slightly watered down version of Stripey?

[Flash@TMB]

Originally Posted by KimyReizeger

A bottle of 330ml 18% beer will get you more drunk than a bottle of 330ml 4% beer, if both are drunk over the same time scale.

What you're arguing is that people wouldn't drink Tokyo over the same time scale, and in fact alter their drinking speed to suit the alcohol content.

Speculation over the length of time people in the future will drink at is highly questionable.

It might be highly questionable for robots, but for anyone that has drunk Tokyo it's pretty clear cut - you drink it slower because it's a far richer and more intense flavour. Tokyo has a thicker consistency and tastes a bit like liquorice. If you'd tried to rush it then you'd probably throw up. You don't see many people rushing a Guinness - well this is two orders of magnitude beyond Guinness in terms of richness.

It's also expensive, weighing in at 3x the price of a regular bottle of beer. People buy it to savour, not for a cheap thrill.

[Carrots Gladstone]

Did I hear something about a petition to extend Moorings opening hours...?

[Flash@TMB]

Originally Posted by Carrots Gladstone

Did I hear something about a petition to extend Moorings opening hours...?

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[Carrots Gladstone]

I can't decide if my joke went way over your head or if I'm being played like a fool...