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[Stripey]

Ok so we've all heard of suicidegirls dot com :

(worksafe example)



and seen innumerable people on myspace try to emulate this to varying degrees of success.

What I'm wondering is does having a few culturally specific props such as those commonly used in these type of photoshoots (lollypops, converse canvas sneakers, dreads, wristbands, guitars, tatoos, piercings and so on) imply that these are empowered, educated, post-feminist 21st century women engaged in the creation of art, or are they just todays page 3 slappers getting naked for money?

[Jeanette]

Both?! Empowered, educated... and pose in page 3-esque ways?!

I don't know. That picture doesn't seem to have the tackyness of page 3, however, it's quite clearly a perfectly created situation. Perhaps we just have 'alt' girls doing what page 3 girls always have.

[lovers_spit]

Its just emo and goff whores, innit?

[Tubthumper]

It's up to them to do whatever they want. You don't have to look.

[lovers_spit]

Thats not the debate. I personally couldnt care what they do on the internet. But they're still showing their bodies for money. So, yeah whores.

Apologies if that wasnt directed at me.

[Jeanette]

p.s i presume that skirt she's wearing would've gone with the top she would have been wearing before it was removed for the picture!!

[daveofficer]

Originally Posted by lovers_spit

Thats not the debate. I personally couldnt care what they do on the internet. But they're still showing their bodies for money. So, yeah whores.

Apologies if that wasnt directed at me.

not whores, models. exhibitionist ones perhaps but models nonetheless. if she had a cock in her hand while taking the cash then you can start debating the whole pornography/prostitution thing.

would it be any different if it was a guy in that pose?

i don't think it's arty. it's certainly not an art photograph, pose or look. it's a commercial glamour shot. i don't think it's sad either, she looks quite happy and at the end of the day that's all that counts. who are we to judge? we all spend far too much time on computers bitching about each other to get away with calling anyone else sad.

[idol_wild]

Originally Posted by daveofficer

who are we to judge?

The target audience. We are exactly the people to judge.

Personally, I love Suicide Girls though.

They'd get a royal boabin'.

[scottyboy]

Originally Posted by daveofficer

not whores, models. exhibitionist ones perhaps but models nonetheless. if she had a cock in her hand while taking the cash then you can start debating the whole pornography/prostitution thing.

would it be any different if it was a guy in that pose?

i don't think it's arty. it's certainly not an art photograph, pose or look. it's a commercial glamour shot. i don't think it's sad either, she looks quite happy and at the end of the day that's all that counts. who are we to judge? we all spend far too much time on computers bitching about each other to get away with calling anyone else sad.

what he said

[Stripey]

Originally Posted by JeanieStar

p.s i presume that skirt she's wearing would've gone with the top she would have been wearing before it was removed for the picture!!

She probably has colour-coordinated body hair too but I haven't seen the rest of the pictures.

I just find it really sad that any woman (but they are girls really lets be honest) would resort to doing a naked/semi-naked photoshoot to earn some money.
It's obviously either financial desperation, or raging self-importance coupled with total insecurity where the fact they have a female body and the fact that some man somewhere will want to drool over them is the only thing they have going for them in their sad existence.
There's no difference between a bleached blonde with fake tits posing on the bonnet of a car and some grimey tattooed brunette with piericings posing with a guitar. All they get for their tiny one-off fee is being featured in a set of high-res photos which will be resold and punted on and that will generate money for people further up in the foodchain for years to come.

I just find it really offensive that these girls try to trade on their appearance when it's clear they are basically disfunctional scum who deserve nothing but contempt. What is even worse is the sad men who consume and therefore legitimise this kind of pathetic media.