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[Tam o' Shantie]

a used approved (and hence still under warranty) 1-2 year old toyota yaris or nissan micra would cost about the same money, be more refined and fun to drive, far more reliable, and hold its value better

[Norseman]

Originally Posted by doobie

oh aye, fiat panda's are permanant 4x4 are they not? i know someone who just took their new one back as it had such bad fuel economy, why a small town car would need 4 wheel drive is behond me, i do most of my offroading in 2 wheel drive and only switch to 4 when struggling for grip. plus the panda's road springs required replacement after 6 months!!

No, most of the range are 2 wheel drive, there is a 4 wheel drive model though. Also I have heard the wee Picanto's are the best of the Kia range and are actually much better built than the big ones and feels more like a European car. Not that I would know much about this sector, been years since I had anything under a 2.5 petrol.

[fugitive]

Fiats are shit don't touch one with a bargepole.

Much better to take your cash and buy a 2nd hand Mazda or Honda. You'll get a better car with massive reliability and it won't be plastic pish.

[Lucky Rathen]

Originally Posted by fugitive

Fiats are shit don't touch one with a bargepole.

Much better to take your cash and buy a 2nd hand Mazda or Honda. You'll get a better car with massive reliability and it won't be plastic pish.

True but the tiny nature of the Kia puts it in the lowest band for insurance and the lowest band for road tax. Plus it gives great mpg.

[Tubthumper]

Driving is supposed to be fun. You won't get any enjoyment out of that 1l piece of pish.

[stuartmaxwell]

I drive a citroen c3 at the moment and have done for four years, 2nd lowest insurance, lowest tax, 72mpg and diesel (will run into the 100k plus easily with little problems) and I bought it at 18k on clock for 7k

four dours, very comfortable and plenty of space for lugging backline around in.

when you buy a car from new you actually lose around £2k from the price or thereabouts (pending on type of car obv). I have never seen the point in it

[doobie]

Originally Posted by Norseman

No, most of the range are 2 wheel drive, there is a 4 wheel drive model though. Also I have heard the wee Picanto's are the best of the Kia range and are actually much better built than the big ones and feels more like a European car. Not that I would know much about this sector, been years since I had anything under a 2.5 petrol.

ah fair doo's, wee car's arnt really my thing either, i'm in the process of beefing up me smallest engined motor with a 3L essex V6, dont think i'll be getting 72mpg out of it though!! i thought me toyota truck with its 20-25mpg of diesel was good!!

[Jeanette]

Yes... but practical for purely city driving!! You're just a boy racer!

That was for Tubthumper's post! Didn't see the second page! Lol.

[Tubthumper]

Originally Posted by JeanieStar

Yes... but practical for purely city driving!! You're just a boy racer!

That was for Tubthumper's post! Didn't see the second page! Lol.

According to Parkers, my car is supposed to do 33mpg. Crap, but I love my car.

[fugitive]

Originally Posted by Lucky Rathen

True but the tiny nature of the Kia puts it in the lowest band for insurance and the lowest band for road tax. Plus it gives great mpg.

Good points, but if you are after value for money why would you even consider buying a car new ? For this type of car you are going to lose half the value of it just by driving it out the showrooom.

I still recommend you look for a second-hand car. There are obviously other cars out there that fulfil your requirements - for example, the C3 mentioned earlier. I've driven one of them and while it's not the car for me it is perfectly adequate.

Dont buy new (or Italian )