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[Tam o' Shantie]

if i am completely sober, and trying to purchase a soft drink...under the grounds that I don't have a form of ID? By the way, I'm 20 years old. I'm quite sure this is allowed, but I may be wrong. This incident has pissed me off.

Even though I stayed in the pub.

[Camie]

Yeh they have the right to throw out someone if they don't have id regardless of what they are buying.

Which bar was this?

[Chris]

don't the management have the right to refuse entry to anyone they like?

Besides that though licenses don't operate on what you're drinking (for the most part, there are some exceptions around restaurants). If you're under 18 you're not allowed in the vicinity of the bar. So basically they were allowed to chuck you out.

Incidentally where was this?

[Tam o' Shantie]

I won't name the bar, because it would be silly. I just wondered, because I was pretty sure that anybody over 16, or even 14 was allowed to be inside a bar that served food, especially if they were in the presence of adults (15 odd adults who were also for the most part younger than me).

It's not like I even tried to buy an alcoholic drink! What dismayed me more was that the bar lady seemed shocked that I wouldn't have ID, and gave me an "aye right" look when asking where I kept my student ID, assuming that she had busted me big time. Newsflash - not every person between the ages of 18-22 goes to university...it's quite normal for someone of my age to occupy their life with something other than uni.

and yeah you're right, they ultimately can throw me out without a reason. but why would they? I was sober, causing no trouble, being perfectly polite and civil to bar staff and trying to order a non-alcoholic beverage...

[Chris]

fuck knows why they would do it.

you can be in a pub if it serves food and you're over 14, but not in the bar area. And if you're over 16 you're allowed to have a pint of beer, a glass of wine or some cider with your food (basically anything below spirit strength).

[lepeep]

Originally Posted by Chris

don't the management have the right to refuse entry to anyone they like??

that seems a bit daft, I'd keep the people I like in , and get rid of the tossers.

[Cloud]

Originally Posted by Tam o' Shantie

and yeah you're right, they ultimately can throw me out without a reason. but why would they? I was sober, causing no trouble, being perfectly polite and civil to bar staff and trying to order a non-alcoholic beverage...

Okay, one situation. They might've had trouble with underagers recently, so management has decided to make sure that everyone in the bar is over 18 regardless of what they're drinking. It all goes down to a "what if" situation - if they get raided, and someone turns out to be in the bar underage and against licence terms, they'd get it from the licencing board and all the rest of it. Soft drinks/etc don't come into it, any form of service or admittance to under 18's could get them into the shit.

Also, you have to consider that they're not really losing anything from throwing you out, except possible future trade, but to their eyes, there wouldn't be future trade as you can't prove you're over 18 anyway.

Now, what pisses me off is when places have a "challenge 21" policy to ID anyone that looks under that age. Cool by me, but not when idiotic sales assistants think that means not selling to anyone under 21. Spars are notorious for this

[Tam o' Shantie]

sure, it's just that like i said in my first post, i didn't think it was illegal for an under 18 to be in a bar in the middle of the day

[bryn]

Maybe next time you should gruff up your voice a bit and stand on your tip-toes?

[Tam o' Shantie]

lolzers.