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[Snakebite]

Heres a different topic for debate - National Service - Should it be reinstated to improve society?

Around the world today several countries still require you to carry out upto 2 years of national service between the age of 16-18 years. This is intended to teach respect, honor and a sense of discipline to young peoples lives as well as providing an adequate military service for the country.

The UK up until 1960 required men to carry out national service, see link below that details the history of National Service in the UK:

http://www.national-army-museum.ac.u...t-service.html

These days the growing number of teenagers that either are constantly in trouble, have no respect for their elders of which some now have ASBO's issued against them, is getting ridiculous.

Some people say that our children are not being taught any values because either the parents are have the same attitude or their children have no respect for them due to external influences.

Before national service was scrapped there was very little trouble in our neighbourhoods and people didnt have to hide behind locked doors because our children were taught to respect others.

So should we bring it back to teach our children respect, honor & discipline?

[Daniel]

singapore has a good system, everyone man between the age of 18-40 have to do 2 weeks service a year. but they also have full time soldiers

[HummerOfIntenseEvil]

Originally Posted by Snakebite

Heres a different topic for debate - National Service - Should it be reinstated to improve society?

Around the world today several countries still require you to carry out upto 2 years of national service between the age of 16-18 years. This is intended to teach respect, honor and a sense of discipline to young peoples lives as well as providing an adequate military service for the country.

The UK up until 1960 required men to carry out national service, see link below that details the history of National Service in the UK:

http://www.national-army-museum.ac....at-service.html

These days the growing number of teenagers that either are constantly in trouble, have no respect for their elders of which some now have ASBO's issued against them, is getting ridiculous.

Some people say that our children are not being taught any values because either the parents are have the same attitude or their children have no respect for them due to external influences.

Before national service was scrapped there was very little trouble in our neighbourhoods and people didnt have to hide behind locked doors because our children were taught to respect others.

So should we bring it back to teach our children respect, honor & discipline?

No.

I've managed to turn out perfectly well without national service, as have all the folk I hang around with (not in council estates terrorising auld folk I might add). Why should the army do the job parents should be doing? Why should prefectly well turned out teenagers be condemned to being shouted at by some sadistic cunt who thinks he has the authority (and right) to treat people like shit because he has a few gold arrows (can't think of the proper name at the moment) on his arm? I'd have hated national service, in fact it'd probably have made me turn out worse.

No, what we need is for certain types of people to not be allowed to bring up kids. Or steralised even. May sound a BIT extreme, but let's face it, there ARE families out there who basically breed criminals.

[Snakebite]

What if national service was limited to say troublesome teenagers or maybe a lesser approach of Boot Camp instead for them to teach them to respect others.

The main reason some children dont respect others is because their parents dont respect others therefore the children follow by example so as generations pass it just gets worse.

[Snakebite]

Originally Posted by HummerOfIntenseEvil

No.

I've managed to turn out perfectly well without national service, as have all the folk I hang around with (not in council estates terrorising auld folk I might add). Why should the army do the job parents should be doing? Why should prefectly well turned out teenagers be condemned to being shouted at by some sadistic cunt who thinks he has the authority (and right) to treat people like shit because he has a few gold arrows (can't think of the proper name at the moment) on his arm? I'd have hated national service, in fact it'd probably have made me turn out worse.

No, what we need is for certain types of people to not be allowed to bring up kids. Or steralised even. May sound a BIT extreme, but let's face it, there ARE families out there who basically breed criminals.

Sometimes you have to be harsh to teach discipline & respect, thats why the british army is the most respected military force in the western world.

[HummerOfIntenseEvil]

Originally Posted by Snakebite

What if national service was limited to say troublesome teenagers or maybe a lesser approach of Boot Camp instead for them to teach them to respect others.

The main reason some children dont respect others is because their parents dont respect others therefore the children follow by example so as generations pass it just gets worse.

I actually think it's cos the children don't get respect from their parents. Why the fuck should you respect people if no one respects you? Parents not showing respect to others is most likely a contributing factor too, but I think it's ultimately the result of being ignored/treated like shit at home.

Anyway, if the deciding factor is "troublesome", then surely what we're really asking for here is for juvenile criminals to be... put into juvenile detention centres? Which they surely are already?

I would go for an overhaul of detention centre methods, and then send kids there sooner than they obviously currently are. And then if they remain little cunts, put them down like the daaaaawgs they are.

[Afro Droid]

I 100% believe it would be a good thing. It'd teach some respect for self and others. I'd do it.

[HummerOfIntenseEvil]

Originally Posted by Snakebite

Sometimes you have to be harsh to teach discipline & respect, thats why the british army is the most respected military force in the western world.

Nope. That's the same train of thought that makes people think you have to be an utter cunt to people to make them work efficiently.

Being bawled at by some twat wouldn't have taught me discipline, it'd have made me feel utterly worthless. The most I needed to teach me not to do something again was a smack on the bum. But that has taught me that it's right to use force. Which is probably why I used to punch my TV off the wall when I'd be getting beat by the computer on computer games.

[Afro Droid]

Originally Posted by HummerOfIntenseEvil

I've managed to turn out perfectly well without national service, as have all the folk I hang around with (not in council estates terrorising auld folk I might add). Why should the army do the job parents should be doing?

Good points, but some parents refuse to do their jobs as parents and take resonsibility for what they've brought into the world, and we all suffer.

[Afro Droid]

Originally Posted by HummerOfIntenseEvil

Being bawled at by some twat wouldn't have taught me discipline, it'd have made me feel utterly worthless.

That's not how it works - I have a number of friends in the military - they break you down to build you back up again.