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[Dave]

Originally Posted by a5cii

Thats quite hard to do since the "offending" content has been deleted...

The point is, it hasn't been deleted as it wasn't there in the first place.

[remington blastcap]

i'd love to comment on this but i'm not allowed.

[Dave]

Originally Posted by remington blastcap

i'd love to comment on this but i'm not allowed.

Try doing it without being abusive to other members and bringing up the MMW/Spike nonsense yet again. You know the rules.

[remington blastcap]

Originally Posted by Dave

Try doing it without being abusive to other members and bringing up the MMW/Spike nonsense yet again. You know the rules.

obviously i'll give it a try. given that i'm not in spike pile driver it should be easy, deep breath.....actually its hard not to mention that because i think what really lay beneath that infamous spat was quite important, but this is not the time , place or forum for those kind of wieghty issues.

this thread really sums up what i think is wrong with this website.

(my opinion obviously)

[Dan Atom]

Originally Posted by Frosty Jack

I've had a trawl through the last few months and the only thing at all that I can find that has been deleted by a mod is the frankly pathetic 'feud' between spike/squad and MMW. None of which had anything to do with feedback.

Originally Posted by Dave

Try doing it without being abusive to other members and bringing up the MMW/Spike nonsense yet again. You know the rules.

You mods look FAR too hard into finding conflict within wayne Scorge's and my discussions. I see so many fucking arguments that are equally if not more pathetic than ours (other than the fact that they are not as infamous/amusing). If it's pathetic it's for one of two reasons:

a) because Scorge will ALWAYS find a petty way of attempting to put down anything MMW does, no matter how fucking incredible it is (and let's face it, we are pretty amazing these days*)

b) because the same old argument has occurred time and time again.

If the answer is b) then why don't all those "emo is this, that and the next" arguments get closed instantly, because they happen just as (if not more) often and they are not even a little bit funny.


And for the record, that last 'frankly pathetic' series of comments that got removed didn't have as much as petty name calling in it - and unless it got removed due to a final Scorge comment which I didn't get to see then it was no more waste of bandwidth than:

300,000,000 page threads of self indulgent "what CDs are you buying?" in which no one gives a toss about anyones else's posts except their own.

or

Element 106 forum posts which is basically inter-band conversations that could be held via phone, text, msn or god forbid in fucking person.

or

the afore mentioned "what is emo" threads, in which the same bunch of people have no clue whatsoever, followed by other people going, "oh, real emo is this - you are stupid", and it goes full circle again and again with the same old result of no one being any the wiser.


If you dig up the last few arguments between wayne and I, you will see that I have tried to resort to nothing more than mild sarcasm here and there. And if you can EVER find a single fued that was actually started by me, by slagging off SPD then I will buy you all a pint, and that is a promise.


Say for example I responded to every one of you moderator's posts with "you guys are bell-ends", what would you do? Leave it? I doubt it. It would get removed. But what would you do if you didnt have those almighty moderating abilities and could therefore not remove it?

Because I'm pretty sure you wouldn't just ignore it.



Finally, these are NEVER "MMW vs SPD" fueds. 4 out of my 5 band members don't go on this site. And I don't have any beef with SPD. Scorge clearly has a probem with mmw and/or likes winding me up, and if he "comments" on a thread that I start, then I WILL respond; so at the very worst call it something gay like 'Scorge vs Dan' or some other ridiculous monicker it to make it sound like it's a bigger deal than it actually is, and therefore worthy of unleashing those moderating skillz. But don't label my entire band as being involved in petty arguments when it has nothing to do with them. It is as rash, lazy and unfair as the following:

Mike Tyson is a rapist. Mike Tyson is black. So therefore, black people = rapists.






*humour

[remington blastcap]

Originally Posted by Dan Atom

You mods look FAR too hard into finding conflict within wayne Scorge's and my discussions. I see so many fucking arguments that are equally if not more pathetic than ours (other than the fact that they are not as infamous/amusing). If it's pathetic it's for one of two reasons:

a) because Scorge will ALWAYS find a petty way of attempting to put down anything MMW does, no matter how fucking incredible it is (and let's face it, we are pretty amazing these days*)

b) because the same old argument has occurred time and time again.

If the answer is b) then why don't all those "emo is this, that and the next" arguments get closed instantly, because they happen just as (if not more) often and they are not even a little bit funny.


And for the record, that last 'frankly pathetic' series of comments that got removed didn't have as much as petty name calling in it - and unless it got removed due to a final Scorge comment which I didn't get to see then it was no more waste of bandwidth than:

300,000,000 page threads of self indulgent "what CDs are you buying?" in which no one gives a toss about anyones else's posts except their own.

or

Element 106 forum posts which is basically inter-band conversations that could be held via phone, text, msn or god forbid in fucking person.

or

the afore mentioned "what is emo" threads, in which the same bunch of people have no clue whatsoever, followed by other people going, "oh, real emo is this - you are stupid", and it goes full circle again and again with the same old result of no one being any the wiser.


If you dig up the last few arguments between wayne and I, you will see that I have tried to resort to nothing more than mild sarcasm here and there. And if you can EVER find a single fued that was actually started by me, by slagging off SPD then I will buy you all a pint, and that is a promise.


Say for example I responded to every one of you moderator's posts with "you guys are bell-ends", what would you do? Leave it? I doubt it. It would get removed. But what would you do if you didnt have those almighty moderating abilities and could therefore not remove it?

Because I'm pretty sure you wouldn't just ignore it.



Finally, these are NEVER "MMW vs SPD" fueds. 4 out of my 5 band members don't go on this site. And I don't have any beef with SPD. Scorge clearly has a probem with mmw and/or likes winding me up, and if he "comments" on a thread that I start, then I WILL respond; so at the very worst call it something gay like 'Scorge vs Dan' or some other ridiculous monicker it to make it sound like it's a bigger deal than it actually is, and therefore worthy of unleashing those moderating skillz. But don't label my entire band as being involved in petty arguments when it has nothing to do with them. It is as rash, lazy and unfair as the following:

Mike Tyson is a rapist. Mike Tyson is black. So therefore, black people = rapists.






*humour

great post dawg.

i liked the spike mmw debacles,
they were great fun but also proved that both members of spike and mmw ( when folks from both camps could comment) actually gave a fuck about the music, enough to bicker anyhow. thats a good sign i reckon. giving a fuck is good. as much as discussion is discouraged here. where the fuck would we be if everyone jist glibbly said " great song guys, jist needs a titch of eq", exactly, in the moorings...wanking.


anyhow.

over and out.

the new weapon song is okay actually. i taped it off the internet.....




because theres no way i'll get a copy to review!

[Frosty Jack]

Originally Posted by Dan Atom

You mods look FAR too hard into finding conflict within wayne Scorge's and my discussions. I see so many fucking arguments that are equally if not more pathetic than ours (other than the fact that they are not as infamous/amusing). If it's pathetic it's for one of two reasons:

a) because Scorge will ALWAYS find a petty way of attempting to put down anything MMW does, no matter how fucking incredible it is ...

It is pretty much just that, for me anyway. (other mods may differ) - I just get so sick of the inevitability that if you post something about MMW, then there will follow yet another jibe featuring the words Rinky/dink/whatever. 99% of the time it means absolutely nothing to anyone else and is never relevant to the thread. So I am quite likely to remove all traces, not because I find it offensive, but purely to keep the real discussion on track.

Finally, these are NEVER "MMW vs SPD" feuds...don't label my entire band as being involved in petty arguments when it has nothing to do with them.

Point taken. But whatever you call all that bollocks, or whoever starts it, if it's just getting in the way I'll probably still remove it.

[Dan Atom]

Originally Posted by remington blastcap

great post dawg.

i liked the spike mmw debacles,
they were great fun but also proved that both members of spike and mmw ( when folks from both camps could comment) actually gave a fuck about the music, enough to bicker anyhow. thats a good sign i reckon. giving a fuck is good. as much as discussion is discouraged here. where the fuck would we be if everyone jist glibbly said " great song guys, jist needs a titch of eq", exactly, in the moorings...wanking.

Agreed!

[Dan Atom]

Originally Posted by Frosty Jack

It is pretty much just that, for me anyway. (other mods may differ) - I just get so sick of the inevitability that if you post something about MMW, then there will follow yet another jibe featuring the words Rinky/dink/whatever.

But the problem to me sir, is that the initial "dink etc" comment never gets 'moderated' until after I've stepped in and said a few words... at which point it then it all gets removed and cheaply summed as (words to the effect of) "mmw and spd being a bunch of children".
(Which makes me sound like a perpitrator, rather than defending myself...)

Like you say yourself, it is inevitable (and always has been) that on a mmw thread, Scroge will come in with some banter - but like watching a car crash, it's as if the mods are just waiting to see it all kick off before stepping in and clearing up - rather than removing the initial post on sight. And if that isn't true, then it seems a bit of coincidence that it's always me that just so happens to spot scorge's post (and manage to reply) before any of the moderators see it and go "hang on a minute, this could be trouble". And let's be totally fair here, when mmw are concerned it's not as if his initial post is ever something constructive that may turn out all dandy in the end.

For the amount of times I've heard a moderator bang on about how sick they are of "all these mmw/spd fueds", I find it very surprising that the initial wind-up comment is never removed sooner... Unless you're waiting for the day that I don't retaliate? But as we've recently seen, that only allows Scorge the freedom of going "what, no good comeback?" if I don't.

if you're all that fed up, here's a solution: remove posts BEFORE waiting to see if it all kicks off, or ban Scorge.

Personally I wouldn't want either of those because the odd argument amuses me, and I also find Scorge's contribution to this site more entertaining than most with his below-the-belt jokes on the humour forum etc.



(this isn't specifically aimed at you frosty... I'm lumping all the mods and anyone-who-ever complains-about-a-mmw-thread-yet-can't-keep-their-eyes-off it into the same boat here)

[Dave]

I'd like to see more posts on this topic that are relevant to the Aberdeen scene as a whole, and what we should do about the Feedback Forum, rather than go over the scorched earth we are currently covering.

If this is going to be a site about, and involving, the people involved in the music scene in this city, let's get serious and actually address the issues at hand. Can we provide a service for bands in Aberdeen and the surrounding area for information and feedback that will aid them in a significant and useful way? If we're not doing that right now, what can be done to improve it?